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[2017-11-13 04:31:27] <Tacocat247> Hi…¿¡
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[2017-11-13 07:59:55] <Horuhe35> Hello :3
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[2017-11-13 08:13:10] <Horuhe35> Good morning ? :o
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[2017-11-13 08:22:01] <Ursuul> hello :)
[2017-11-13 08:22:49] <Horuhe35> Hello have a nice day n-n
[2017-11-13 08:23:04] <Ursuul> thanks :)
[2017-11-13 08:23:08] <Ursuul> You are new to this Wiki?
[2017-11-13 08:23:27] <Horuhe35> Yes and to diep.io 
[2017-11-13 08:23:33] <Horuhe35> My fav tank is trapper
[2017-11-13 08:23:51] <Ursuul> It’s really a great game, has lost popularity in recent times though. My favorite is Necromancer, although I’m out of practice now >.<
[2017-11-13 08:24:07] <Horuhe35> uhh cool
[2017-11-13 08:24:41] <Horuhe35> It´s sad that this game lost popularity :( It requires skill
[2017-11-13 08:25:21] <Horuhe35> If the android version worked better u-u
[2017-11-13 08:27:09] <Ursuul> ah you play mobile?
[2017-11-13 08:27:15] <Ursuul> desktop for the win ;)
[2017-11-13 08:27:36] <Horuhe35> Desktop I play desktoo
[2017-11-13 08:27:44] <Horuhe35> But tested the android app
[2017-11-13 08:28:01] <Ursuul> ohhhhh, ok. Yeah, most people dislike the mobile versions because it’s so hard to play on mobile.
[2017-11-13 08:30:04] <Horuhe35> Yep :3
[2017-11-13 08:30:13] <Horuhe35> Have you ever used trapper?
[2017-11-13 08:31:03] <Ursuul> yes I have, but I don’t particularly care for Trapper classes since they are so stunted offensively. That said, Auto Trapper in Maze mode? Hell on wheels >:)
[2017-11-13 08:38:41] <Horuhe35> I like to defend teammates
[2017-11-13 08:39:17] <Ursuul> Supporters are always appreciated
[2017-11-13 08:39:24] <Ursuul> what score do you typically get?
[2017-11-13 08:39:42] <Horuhe35> So basic trapper is my fav
[2017-11-13 08:40:03] <Horuhe35> I can´t get past lvl 40 so 10 k
[2017-11-13 08:40:27] <Ursuul> hmmmm
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[2017-11-13 08:40:49] <Ursuul> have you considered staying as a normal tank until you hit level 45 before upgrading?
[2017-11-13 08:41:00] <Ursuul> It is a trick some pros use to easily upgrade to Tier 4 Trappers
[2017-11-13 08:41:13] <Ursuul> since once you upgrade to trapper it is hard to level more
[2017-11-13 08:41:22] <Horuhe35> xD it´s a good idea but I last longer with the trapper
[2017-11-13 08:41:30] <Horuhe35> I´m careless and suicide
[2017-11-13 08:43:29] <Ursuul> have you tested out classes in Sandbox?
[2017-11-13 08:45:05] <Horuhe35> Nope I only play with some friends in 4 teams
[2017-11-13 08:48:01] <Ursuul> well
[2017-11-13 08:48:20] <Ursuul> You could go into a Sandbox server alone & then use the Speed upgrade tools to test out other tanks besides Trapper
[2017-11-13 08:48:35] <Ursuul> you can upgrade to level 45 by holding the K key if I recall correctly
[2017-11-13 08:48:46] <Ursuul> & you can switch between classes by pressing in the \ key
[2017-11-13 08:48:49] <Ursuul> in Sandbox only that is
[2017-11-13 08:48:57] <Ursuul> but you can use that to quickly test out all the classes
[2017-11-13 08:49:01] <Ursuul> & see if you like one
[2017-11-13 08:49:57] <Horuhe35> I don´t use mov speed :o
[2017-11-13 08:50:25] <Horuhe35> I don´t have a mouse  then , ranged classes aren´t recommended
[2017-11-13 08:50:43] <Ursuul> ah
[2017-11-13 08:50:44] <Ursuul> dang
[2017-11-13 08:51:10] <Ursuul> do you have a regular mouse pad though?
[2017-11-13 08:51:19] <Horuhe35> yes
[2017-11-13 08:51:23] <Ursuul> I play Necro with just the mouse pad & it’s pretty ranged >:)
[2017-11-13 08:52:00] <Horuhe35> Yeah but i preffer being a trapper
[2017-11-13 08:52:18] <Horuhe35> I don´t know why but i feel good when protecting people
[2017-11-13 08:52:36] <Horuhe35> Preventing Op players to farm rookies
[2017-11-13 08:53:03] <Ursuul> Sure. How many times do you think you save individual players each playthrough?
[2017-11-13 08:53:27] <Horuhe35> Many times , xD I´m called " I love you baka"
[2017-11-13 08:54:54] <Ursuul> lol
[2017-11-13 08:55:21] <Horuhe35> I usually sacrifice myself -w- in order to save players
[2017-11-13 08:55:47] <Horuhe35> My bro hates when I do this TwT
[2017-11-13 08:56:54] <Horuhe35> Sorry I need to leave for a while take care :3
[2017-11-13 08:58:18] <Ursuul> adios o/
[2017-11-13 08:58:23] <Ursuul> !updatelogs
[2017-11-13 08:58:23] <Özün_Oldun> Ursuul: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~47 to log page).
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[2017-11-13 09:10:42] <The_Tidal_Wave> hi
[2017-11-13 09:11:24] <Horuhe35> Hi :3
[2017-11-13 09:11:29] <Horuhe35> good morning
[2017-11-13 09:14:21] <The_Tidal_Wave> hello.
[2017-11-13 09:14:32] <The_Tidal_Wave> It is in fact 17:14 in my timezone
[2017-11-13 09:14:36] <The_Tidal_Wave> good afternoon
[2017-11-13 09:14:41] <Horuhe35> Oh good afternoon then
[2017-11-13 09:14:46] <The_Tidal_Wave> good morning to you
[2017-11-13 09:16:49] <Horuhe35> how are you¿?
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[2017-11-13 10:08:18] <Ursuul> I seen some weird things lads
[2017-11-13 10:09:00] <The_Tidal_Wave> hi
[2017-11-13 10:09:08] <The_Tidal_Wave> what weird thing
[2017-11-13 10:09:28] <Ursuul> On one Wiki, I see they have like, half a dozen Discussions Moderators
[2017-11-13 10:09:28] <Ursuul> 
[2017-11-13 10:09:28] <Ursuul> But they don’t have Forum, Message Wall, Discussions, or article Comments enabled
[2017-11-13 10:09:35] <Ursuul> so literally the ONLY thing the right can be used for
[2017-11-13 10:09:40] <Ursuul> is to delete blog comments
[2017-11-13 10:09:41] <Ursuul> that’s it
[2017-11-13 10:09:42] <The_Tidal_Wave> ...
[2017-11-13 10:09:48] <The_Tidal_Wave> lolwut
[2017-11-13 10:09:48] <Ursuul> why do you have half a dozen Disc Mods
[2017-11-13 10:09:56] <Ursuul> if they can’t [i]do[/i] anything lol
[2017-11-13 10:10:06] <Ursuul> “Blog comments are a srs issue you see”
[2017-11-13 10:10:13] <The_Tidal_Wave> they don't have Forum, Message Wall, Discussions OR Comments?
[2017-11-13 10:10:18] <Ursuul> nop
[2017-11-13 10:10:21] <The_Tidal_Wave> Not even Talk Pages?
[2017-11-13 10:10:27] <Ursuul> all Wikis have talk pages
[2017-11-13 10:10:34] <Ursuul> & they have the old-style forum I think
[2017-11-13 10:10:37] <Ursuul> the Forum-before-Forum
[2017-11-13 10:10:43] <The_Tidal_Wave> forum-before-forum
[2017-11-13 10:10:45] <The_Tidal_Wave> pic plz
[2017-11-13 10:10:51] <The_Tidal_Wave> or link
[2017-11-13 10:11:17] <Ursuul> [[w:c:da:Forum:Index|Example of a Wiki-style Forum that is active]]
[2017-11-13 10:11:36] <The_Tidal_Wave> is this the wiki
[2017-11-13 10:11:39] <Ursuul> naw
[2017-11-13 10:11:41] <Ursuul> different wiki
[2017-11-13 10:11:52] <Ursuul> because the wiki I was referring to has a dead Forum
[2017-11-13 10:12:00] <Ursuul> not good for example
[2017-11-13 10:12:13] <The_Tidal_Wave> so the link you sent was an old-style forum
[2017-11-13 10:12:16] <Ursuul> ye
[2017-11-13 10:12:22] <Ursuul> They’re basically talk pages
[2017-11-13 10:12:24] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok
[2017-11-13 10:12:29] <Ursuul> only a bunch of people use them
[2017-11-13 10:12:34] <Ursuul> so it’s an open, Forum-space
[2017-11-13 10:13:17] <Horuhe35> http://valkyriecrusade.wikia.com/d/p/3100000000000000232
[2017-11-13 10:13:32] <The_Tidal_Wave> what about it?
[2017-11-13 10:13:38] <Ursuul> ^
[2017-11-13 10:13:48] <The_Tidal_Wave> why'd you send a random non-wiki-related thing
[2017-11-13 10:14:02] <Horuhe35> you were talking about discussions
[2017-11-13 10:14:09] <Ursuul> oh
[2017-11-13 10:14:09] <The_Tidal_Wave> i guess we were
[2017-11-13 10:14:11] <Horuhe35> sorry
[2017-11-13 10:14:16] <Ursuul> ye it’s all good
[2017-11-13 10:14:32] <The_Tidal_Wave> ^
[2017-11-13 10:14:33] <Ursuul> but I mean, you could’ve just said what you wanted about Discussions :P We have nothing related to that post
[2017-11-13 10:15:06] <Ursuul> our Wiki is kind of a pioneer in that we have every single social feature offered by FANDOM enabled
[2017-11-13 10:15:22] <Ursuul> won’t be for long though ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)  
[2017-11-13 10:15:49] <The_Tidal_Wave> rip comments, hello talk page.
[2017-11-13 10:16:02] <Ursuul> more like hello Discussions :)
[2017-11-13 10:16:13] <Ursuul> Because if someone uses talk pages to spam about an article I will rage
[2017-11-13 10:16:16] <Ursuul> not rly
[2017-11-13 10:16:17] <Ursuul> but eh
[2017-11-13 10:16:24] <Ursuul> Talk pages are purely business
[2017-11-13 10:16:32] <Ursuul> asking questions & improving articles 
[2017-11-13 10:16:36] <Ursuul> that’s what they’re designed for
[2017-11-13 10:16:36] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok.
[2017-11-13 10:19:42] <The_Tidal_Wave> I actually like Discussions better than Forums for whatever reason.
[2017-11-13 10:20:28] <Ursuul> huh
[2017-11-13 10:20:32] <Ursuul> mobile?
[2017-11-13 10:20:36] <The_Tidal_Wave> no
[2017-11-13 10:20:41] <The_Tidal_Wave> i barely use mobile
[2017-11-13 10:20:47] <Ursuul> [i]huh
[2017-11-13 10:21:16] <Ursuul> I mean, I suppose you might like the aesthetics better, but they’re far too limited technically for my tastes usually
[2017-11-13 10:21:20] <Ursuul> The environment perhaps?
[2017-11-13 10:21:34] <The_Tidal_Wave> honestly, i'm not sure.
[2017-11-13 10:21:51] <The_Tidal_Wave> must be the categories
[2017-11-13 10:21:59] <The_Tidal_Wave> and how you can check the recent
[2017-11-13 10:22:11] <Ursuul> could be, but you don’t post too often in many of them
[2017-11-13 10:22:22] <Ursuul> or is it how you can only show categories you want to see?
[2017-11-13 10:23:05] <The_Tidal_Wave> to be honest, it might just be the fact that they're newer
[2017-11-13 10:23:30] <The_Tidal_Wave> and maybe the aesthetics too.
[2017-11-13 10:23:37] <Ursuul> hmmm
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[2017-11-13 10:24:28] <The_Tidal_Wave> hi
[2017-11-13 10:24:36] <Captain_Hayden> hi and bye
[2017-11-13 10:24:38] <Horuhe35> welcome
[2017-11-13 10:24:44] <Ursuul> o
[2017-11-13 10:24:47] <The_Tidal_Wave> bye
[2017-11-13 10:26:06] <Ursuul> @Horuhe what wikis do you normally frequent?
[2017-11-13 10:26:50] <Horuhe35> Valkyrie crusade and diep io
[2017-11-13 10:27:02] <Horuhe35> oh and touhou puppet sanctuarium
[2017-11-13 10:27:16] <The_Tidal_Wave> I'm only home to here and PvZ.
[2017-11-13 10:27:33] <Horuhe35> PvZ , what is that?
[2017-11-13 10:27:40] <The_Tidal_Wave> Plants VS Zombies.
[2017-11-13 10:28:01] <Horuhe35> ohh :3 yeah I know that game
[2017-11-13 10:28:03] <The_Tidal_Wave> TFWiki doesn't use Wikia and i want to join but don't know how.
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[2017-11-13 10:28:13] <The_Tidal_Wave> woops accidentally left chat
[2017-11-13 10:28:24] <The_Tidal_Wave> http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page
[2017-11-13 10:28:24] <The_Tidal_Wave> This one.
[2017-11-13 10:28:25] <Ursuul> TFWiki?
[2017-11-13 10:28:26] <Ursuul> oh
[2017-11-13 10:28:37] <Ursuul> HEY they use Monobook!
[2017-11-13 10:28:47] <Ursuul> Yeah theyres like https://uesp.net
[2017-11-13 10:28:56] <Ursuul> they’re*
[2017-11-13 10:29:09] <Ursuul> they use MediaWiki software, so you should be able to join without much trouble
[2017-11-13 10:29:12] <Ursuul> templates n stuff still work
[2017-11-13 10:29:13] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok.
[2017-11-13 10:29:15] <The_Tidal_Wave> noice
[2017-11-13 10:29:25] <Ursuul> you edit like normal n stuff
[2017-11-13 10:29:28] <Ursuul> like Wikipedia really
[2017-11-13 10:29:43] <Ursuul> if you want practice before joining, go to [[Special:Preferences]] & switch to Monobook as your main skin
[2017-11-13 10:29:47] <Ursuul> it will let you get used to it
[2017-11-13 10:29:51] <Ursuul> & make joining that Wiki easy
[2017-11-13 10:30:24] <Ursuul> also
[2017-11-13 10:30:59] <The_Tidal_Wave> ?
[2017-11-13 10:31:05] <Ursuul> [[w:c:transformers]] exists :)
[2017-11-13 10:31:07] <Ursuul> on FANDOM
[2017-11-13 10:31:21] <Ursuul> looks really professionally made
[2017-11-13 10:31:39] <The_Tidal_Wave> Oh yes.#
[2017-11-13 10:31:45] <The_Tidal_Wave> Teletraan i.
[2017-11-13 10:31:53] <The_Tidal_Wave> wait here let me get you something.
[2017-11-13 10:31:58] <Ursuul> o
[2017-11-13 10:32:13] <The_Tidal_Wave> http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Press_Release:_Teletraan-1_Wikia_moves_to_TFWiki.net
[2017-11-13 10:32:30] <The_Tidal_Wave> read
[2017-11-13 10:33:00] <Ursuul> whoag
[2017-11-13 10:33:01] <Ursuul> they forked
[2017-11-13 10:33:10] <Ursuul> just like WikiDex
[2017-11-13 10:33:45] <Ursuul> "One day I came to the wiki, looking for Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III, but his image was no longer there! Instead, there was a block selling Pop-tarts,"
[2017-11-13 10:33:45] <Ursuul> 
[2017-11-13 10:33:45] <Ursuul> Freaking FANDOM
[2017-11-13 10:33:58] <The_Tidal_Wave> lmao
[2017-11-13 10:34:17] <The_Tidal_Wave> so wait by "they forked" do you mean FANDOM or TFWiki.net
[2017-11-13 10:35:12] <Ursuul> Forking, in code & other areas, means to take an original piece of code (or a wiki) & copy it to a separate “branch” of the fork, where it continues to develop independently (or doesn’t develop at all & is left behind as the original area from which it was forked continues to develop).
[2017-11-13 10:35:25] <Ursuul> so in this case, TFWiki forked from Transformers Wiki on FANDOM
[2017-11-13 10:35:26] <Ursuul> er
[2017-11-13 10:35:28] <The_Tidal_Wave> oh.
[2017-11-13 10:35:29] <Ursuul> Wikia at the time
[2017-11-13 10:35:37] <The_Tidal_Wave> i thought you meant "they f**ked up"
[2017-11-13 10:35:42] <Ursuul> naw
[2017-11-13 10:35:59] <Ursuul> forking is the opposite of merging
[2017-11-13 10:36:10] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok so splitting
[2017-11-13 10:36:20] <Ursuul> not necessarily 
[2017-11-13 10:36:34] <Ursuul> because the content isn’t being cut in half
[2017-11-13 10:36:39] <Ursuul> it’s being copied wholesale 
[2017-11-13 10:36:48] <The_Tidal_Wave> yeah.
[2017-11-13 10:37:19] <Ursuul> this is interesting though. FANDOM goes on & on about how forking doesn’t hurt or bother them at all, but there’s tons of successful forks out there that absolute dominate FANDOM
[2017-11-13 10:37:34] <The_Tidal_Wave> lmao rip
[2017-11-13 10:37:57] <Ursuul> UESP gets better search ratings than the Elder Scrolls Wiki on FANDOM, & from what you said I think TFWiki gets better views / search ratings than the FANDOM Transformers Wiki?
[2017-11-13 10:38:10] <The_Tidal_Wave> i think so.
[2017-11-13 10:38:12] <Ursuul> (search ratings = SEO = how prevalent their site is when you google a topic)
[2017-11-13 10:38:30] <The_Tidal_Wave> lemme just do a quick test and google optimus prime
[2017-11-13 10:38:45] <Ursuul> I just tested Bumblebee
[2017-11-13 10:38:56] <Ursuul> TFWiki rekts the FANDOM Wiki
[2017-11-13 10:39:05] <The_Tidal_Wave> Wikipedia, 3x TFWiki, then finally a Wikia
[2017-11-13 10:39:17] <Ursuul> ye, for me it was TFWiki, Wikipedia, then FANDOM
[2017-11-13 10:39:33] <The_Tidal_Wave> lemme try Megatron
[2017-11-13 10:40:53] <The_Tidal_Wave> Wikipedia, 6x TFWiki, some Villains Wiki on FANDOM, then Teletraan I.
[2017-11-13 10:41:19] <The_Tidal_Wave> https://www.google.com.hk/search?ei=MnYJWsjDIcWD8wWIvrv4DQ&q=megatron&oq=me&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.0i67k1l8j0i131k1j0.52574.52760.0.54087.2.2.0.0.0.0.96.184.2.2.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.183...35i39k1.0.NdKG9hkloz8
[2017-11-13 10:41:32] <Ursuul> ye
[2017-11-13 10:41:33] <Ursuul> shrekt
[2017-11-13 10:41:38] <The_Tidal_Wave> gg no re
[2017-11-13 10:41:38] <Ursuul> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2008/jul/31/wikipedia
[2017-11-13 10:42:28] <The_Tidal_Wave> ooo
[2017-11-13 10:43:05] <The_Tidal_Wave> alright lemme compare the quality of pages from TFW and Teletraan I
[2017-11-13 10:43:35] <Ursuul> sure
[2017-11-13 10:43:41] <Ursuul> looking at the Guardian article
[2017-11-13 10:43:46] <Ursuul> it really explains why we cannot fork
[2017-11-13 10:44:00] <The_Tidal_Wave> we?
[2017-11-13 10:44:02] <The_Tidal_Wave> DW?
[2017-11-13 10:44:29] <Ursuul> Ye. if we did, since Diep.io isn’t updating, we might not win out over this Wikia & then our fork would die, so we are effectively permanently stuck here. I’m totally fine with that, but I’m saying that if we ever wanted to fork, we probably couldn’t.
[2017-11-13 10:44:46] <The_Tidal_Wave> I'm fine being here.
[2017-11-13 10:44:48] <Ursuul> same
[2017-11-13 10:44:58] <Ursuul> but this is one of the big reasons why I am in so many global groups
[2017-11-13 10:45:03] <Ursuul> it’s to get us what we need out of FANDOM
[2017-11-13 10:45:07] <The_Tidal_Wave> alright let me use Animated Megatron as an example
[2017-11-13 10:45:17] <The_Tidal_Wave> http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Megatron_(Animated) VS http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Megatron_(Animated)
[2017-11-13 10:45:50] <The_Tidal_Wave> wow
[2017-11-13 10:45:55] <Ursuul> TF has a bit more content, few more paragraphs
[2017-11-13 10:46:19] <Ursuul> remember the FANDOM Wiki has had 8 years to restore its vacant community & catch back up to TF
[2017-11-13 10:46:19] <The_Tidal_Wave> the FANDOM page's "Fiction" starts with "Four million years [i]later]/i]...
[2017-11-13 10:46:39] <Ursuul> rip
[2017-11-13 10:46:43] <Ursuul> oh
[2017-11-13 10:46:46] <Ursuul> w8 was that uh
[2017-11-13 10:46:54] <Ursuul> your own screwup with the /i
[2017-11-13 10:46:57] <Ursuul> or was that in the article
[2017-11-13 10:47:04] <The_Tidal_Wave> it was my own screwup
[2017-11-13 10:47:07] <Ursuul> o
[2017-11-13 10:47:07] <The_Tidal_Wave> but still
[2017-11-13 10:47:24] <The_Tidal_Wave> it started with "Four million years later"
[2017-11-13 10:47:36] <The_Tidal_Wave> without anything about Four million years before
[2017-11-13 10:48:14] <Ursuul> o
[2017-11-13 10:48:21] <Ursuul> ye I see the issue
[2017-11-13 10:48:52] <Ursuul> ye, if you fork at the right time, in the right way, under the right conditions, you can totally swamp the FANDOM Wiki
[2017-11-13 10:49:11] <Ursuul> you know the rights change we had a while back?
[2017-11-13 10:49:19] <Ursuul> with all the user groups being changed up
[2017-11-13 10:49:20] <The_Tidal_Wave> the staff change?
[2017-11-13 10:49:26] <The_Tidal_Wave> ye i remember
[2017-11-13 10:49:29] <The_Tidal_Wave> what about it
[2017-11-13 10:49:51] <Ursuul> ye. That, if we were a fork, we could’ve done on our own in about, maybe two hours once the community was on board
[2017-11-13 10:49:57] <Ursuul> maybe not even that
[2017-11-13 10:50:14] <Ursuul> but because FANDOM restricts so much stuff, we have to go through FANDOM to get stuff done, & it took us weeks to get it done
[2017-11-13 10:50:19] <The_Tidal_Wave> uggh
[2017-11-13 10:50:20] <Ursuul> granted, it got done, but it took a while
[2017-11-13 10:50:34] <The_Tidal_Wave> but since Diep.io isn't updating, we're stuck here
[2017-11-13 10:50:42] <Ursuul> ye, & I don’t think that’s a bad thing
[2017-11-13 10:50:52] <Ursuul> as long as we CAN get what we want done
[2017-11-13 10:50:58] <Ursuul> then we are all set
[2017-11-13 10:51:04] <The_Tidal_Wave> yeah.
[2017-11-13 10:51:19] <Ursuul> which is why, instead of focusing on forking, I focus on working for FANDOM
[2017-11-13 10:51:25] <Ursuul> so that they’re more inclined to give us what we want when we ask
[2017-11-13 10:51:30] <The_Tidal_Wave> heh
[2017-11-13 10:51:38] <Ursuul> our Wikia gets way more stuff from FANDOM than most wikis our size
[2017-11-13 10:51:43] <Ursuul> like, a LOT more
[2017-11-13 10:52:09] <The_Tidal_Wave> is it because of you
[2017-11-13 10:52:29] <Ursuul> Largely, yeah, it’s also because of how many Councilors we have here, & how many views we have
[2017-11-13 10:52:37] <The_Tidal_Wave> say
[2017-11-13 10:52:44] <The_Tidal_Wave> What exactly is the Council?
[2017-11-13 10:53:01] <Ursuul> I wrote an entire page about it for just that question :) [[Project:Council]]
[2017-11-13 10:53:47] <The_Tidal_Wave> "basic english"
[2017-11-13 10:53:50] <The_Tidal_Wave> lol
[2017-11-13 10:54:47] <Ursuul> you’d be surprised m8
[2017-11-13 10:54:53] <Ursuul> FANDOM is a multinational corporation
[2017-11-13 10:55:01] <Ursuul> lots of Russian speakers who can barely speak English try to join
[2017-11-13 10:55:13] <The_Tidal_Wave> o rly
[2017-11-13 10:55:22] <Ursuul> Ye, & you have to reject em because they cannot contribute, no one understands them
[2017-11-13 10:55:47] <Ursuul> Patrik nearly made it in but was rejected on a technicality 
[2017-11-13 10:55:59] <The_Tidal_Wave> why?
[2017-11-13 10:56:00] <Ursuul> because he hadn’t been commenting on Staff Blogs on Community Central
[2017-11-13 10:56:06] <Ursuul> to give feedback there
[2017-11-13 10:56:06] <The_Tidal_Wave> oh.
[2017-11-13 10:56:14] <Ursuul> he’d been giving feedback elsewhere
[2017-11-13 10:56:23] <Ursuul> but because he wasn’t doing it in FANDOM Staff Blog comment sections
[2017-11-13 10:56:26] <Ursuul> he got denied 
[2017-11-13 10:56:32] <The_Tidal_Wave> rip
[2017-11-13 11:00:20] <The_Tidal_Wave> so bored
[2017-11-13 11:00:59] <Ursuul> rip
[2017-11-13 11:03:02] <The_Tidal_Wave> imma play some Worms while i wait for someone else to join chat
[2017-11-13 11:03:26] <Ursuul> ok
[2017-11-13 11:06:51] <The_Tidal_Wave> lol this idiot blew its own teammate up
[2017-11-13 11:26:49] <The_Tidal_Wave> ...
[2017-11-13 11:26:59] <Ursuul> am stalking the Transformers Wiki
[2017-11-13 11:27:10] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok
[2017-11-13 11:27:58] <Ursuul> so it’s been adopted & abandoned several times
[2017-11-13 11:28:08] <Ursuul> there’s currently only two active Bureaucrats, no other Staff
[2017-11-13 11:28:08] <The_Tidal_Wave> has it?
[2017-11-13 11:28:11] <Ursuul> ye
[2017-11-13 11:28:13] <Ursuul> like 3 times
[2017-11-13 11:28:20] <The_Tidal_Wave> the old one?
[2017-11-13 11:28:22] <Ursuul> just this far into the log
[2017-11-13 11:28:23] <Ursuul> ye on FANDOM
[2017-11-13 11:28:28] <The_Tidal_Wave> lel rip
[2017-11-13 11:28:51] <Ursuul> Sannse actually came in & demoted everyone who left
[2017-11-13 11:28:53] <Ursuul> for the fork
[2017-11-13 11:28:59] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok
[2017-11-13 11:29:23] <Ursuul> now 4 moment of truth
[2017-11-13 11:29:28] <Ursuul> Quantcast data ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)  
[2017-11-13 11:29:39] <Ursuul> hOLy shit
[2017-11-13 11:29:42] <The_Tidal_Wave> ?
[2017-11-13 11:29:42] <Ursuul> no way 
[2017-11-13 11:30:02] <Ursuul> OMG you aren’t gonna believe this lmao
[2017-11-13 11:30:06] <The_Tidal_Wave> ?
[2017-11-13 11:30:09] <Ursuul> DW got 458.2K views last month
[2017-11-13 11:30:13] <The_Tidal_Wave> yea?
[2017-11-13 11:30:17] <Ursuul> Transformers Wiki on FANDOM got
[2017-11-13 11:30:18] <Ursuul> ...
[2017-11-13 11:30:21] <The_Tidal_Wave> drumrool
[2017-11-13 11:30:23] <Ursuul> 427.3K views (laugh)
[2017-11-13 11:30:30] <The_Tidal_Wave> PFFFFT
[2017-11-13 11:30:40] <Ursuul> literally even our Wikia has more views than that Wiki
[2017-11-13 11:30:42] <Ursuul> it’s so toast 
[2017-11-13 11:30:48] <The_Tidal_Wave> ikr
[2017-11-13 11:30:59] <The_Tidal_Wave> TFWiki >>>>>> Teletraan 1
[2017-11-13 11:31:03] <Ursuul> ye
[2017-11-13 11:31:04] <Ursuul> by far
[2017-11-13 11:31:14] <Ursuul> the German Teletraan 1 is apparently very professional tho
[2017-11-13 11:31:18] <The_Tidal_Wave> rly?
[2017-11-13 11:31:25] <Ursuul> Ye. one of my fellow Vanguards runs it
[2017-11-13 11:31:31] <The_Tidal_Wave> kewl
[2017-11-13 11:32:03] <Ursuul> lez czech Quantcast
[2017-11-13 11:32:14] <Ursuul> damn, sad
[2017-11-13 11:32:21] <The_Tidal_Wave> how many
[2017-11-13 11:32:23] <Ursuul> I figured they would have more than the English Wiki since it’s still active
[2017-11-13 11:32:27] <Ursuul> 70Kish last month
[2017-11-13 11:32:27] <The_Tidal_Wave> 300K?
[2017-11-13 11:32:32] <The_Tidal_Wave> lol rip
[2017-11-13 11:32:54] <Ursuul> but you have to understand that usually, non-English Wiki versions drop really steeply in views comparative to their English counterparts
[2017-11-13 11:32:59] <The_Tidal_Wave> true
[2017-11-13 11:33:21] <Ursuul> I just expected that since the English Wikia is effectively TFWiki.net, that the German Wiki would have views comparative to that
[2017-11-13 11:33:23] <Ursuul> but guess not
[2017-11-13 11:33:26] <The_Tidal_Wave> nope
[2017-11-13 11:33:31] <Ursuul> guess they’re comparative to the dead wiki instead
[2017-11-13 11:33:31] <The_Tidal_Wave> everybody goes to TFWiki
[2017-11-13 11:33:32] <Ursuul> sad
[2017-11-13 11:33:35] <Ursuul> ye
[2017-11-13 11:33:41] <Ursuul> with good reason
[2017-11-13 11:33:52] <Ursuul> hmmmm
[2017-11-13 11:33:53] <Ursuul> take a guess
[2017-11-13 11:33:57] <The_Tidal_Wave> ?
[2017-11-13 11:34:00] <Ursuul> which non-English diep wiki has the most views
[2017-11-13 11:34:06] <The_Tidal_Wave> spanish or chinese
[2017-11-13 11:34:37] <Ursuul> technically correct, iz Spanish
[2017-11-13 11:34:56] <Ursuul> We had 458.2K views last month, Spanish Diep.io got 24.6K
[2017-11-13 11:35:00] <The_Tidal_Wave> rip
[2017-11-13 11:35:04] <The_Tidal_Wave> still low
[2017-11-13 11:35:07] <Ursuul> this is normal tho
[2017-11-13 11:35:11] <The_Tidal_Wave> rly?
[2017-11-13 11:35:29] <Ursuul> ye, like I said, non-English Wikis typically are much lower than their English counterparts
[2017-11-13 11:35:51] <Ursuul> the German Transformers Wiki is really the exceptioin, since it has about 20% of the views the English Transformers Wiki on FANDOM gets
[2017-11-13 11:35:54] <Ursuul> exception*
[2017-11-13 11:36:04] <Ursuul> whereas most non-English Wikis don’t even get that much
[2017-11-13 11:36:10] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok
[2017-11-13 11:36:27] <The_Tidal_Wave> hey can ya czech the views for http://plantsvszombies.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
[2017-11-13 11:36:31] <Ursuul> sure
[2017-11-13 11:36:38] <The_Tidal_Wave> should be a lot
[2017-11-13 11:37:03] <Ursuul> 1.7M last month
[2017-11-13 11:37:08] <The_Tidal_Wave> noice
[2017-11-13 11:37:24] <Ursuul> 65% of views come from mobile
[2017-11-13 11:37:29] <The_Tidal_Wave> rly
[2017-11-13 11:37:32] <The_Tidal_Wave> oh well
[2017-11-13 11:37:51] <Ursuul> with diep, 15.4% of our views come from mobile
[2017-11-13 11:37:55] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok
[2017-11-13 11:38:00] <Ursuul> but that’s because the Diep.io Gaming App sucks ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)  
[2017-11-13 11:38:11] <The_Tidal_Wave> mhm
[2017-11-13 11:38:33] <Ursuul> brb checking more stats
[2017-11-13 11:38:43] <The_Tidal_Wave> so we're a wiki for a dead game and somehow we still get 400K views per month
[2017-11-13 11:40:25] <Ursuul> ayup
[2017-11-13 11:40:33] <Ursuul> we used to get over a million a month mind you
[2017-11-13 11:40:40] <The_Tidal_Wave> !
[2017-11-13 11:40:40] <Ursuul> we were a little lesser than PVZ
[2017-11-13 11:41:00] <The_Tidal_Wave> so w8
[2017-11-13 11:41:09] <The_Tidal_Wave> when's the page for the new era coming
[2017-11-13 11:41:36] <Ursuul> we are waiting on our artists as they make medals for the merge & Erallustrations
[2017-11-13 11:41:50] <Ursuul> Gelly gets his work done fast but people are having him tweak it a lot
[2017-11-13 11:41:58] <Ursuul> Gravi takes, well, a while.
[2017-11-13 11:42:21] <The_Tidal_Wave> he's busy i guess
[2017-11-13 11:42:26] <Ursuul> suppose
[2017-11-13 11:43:51] <Ursuul> lemme compile list
[2017-11-13 11:44:07] <The_Tidal_Wave> so we have the merge image done
[2017-11-13 11:44:13] <The_Tidal_Wave> nearly anyway
[2017-11-13 11:44:24] <Ursuul> ye
[2017-11-13 11:44:29] <Ursuul> people just want it to be perfect
[2017-11-13 11:44:33] <Ursuul> so they’re making specifications 
[2017-11-13 11:44:38] <Ursuul> although I was talking about views tho
[2017-11-13 11:44:42] <Ursuul> because still looking at stats
[2017-11-13 11:44:43] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok
[2017-11-13 11:46:32] <Ursuul> Last month views for Diep.io Wikias:
[2017-11-13 11:46:32] <Ursuul>  • Engrish: 458.2K
[2017-11-13 11:46:32] <Ursuul>  • Spanish: 24.6K
[2017-11-13 11:46:32] <Ursuul>  • Russian: 23.2K
[2017-11-13 11:46:32] <Ursuul>  • Chinese: 21.6K
[2017-11-13 11:46:32] <Ursuul>  • Polish: 2.3K
[2017-11-13 11:46:32] <Ursuul>  • French: 856
[2017-11-13 11:46:32] <Ursuul>  • Turkish: 842
[2017-11-13 11:46:32] <Ursuul>  • Brazilian Portuguese: 587
[2017-11-13 11:46:36] <Ursuul> that’s fuckin’ weird
[2017-11-13 11:46:56] <The_Tidal_Wave> how so
[2017-11-13 11:46:56] <Ursuul> why does Turkish have almost as much as French, when there are 20 pages on Turkish Wiki & they are all stubs, but French has nearly 100 full pages?
[2017-11-13 11:47:03] <The_Tidal_Wave> idk
[2017-11-13 11:47:07] <Ursuul> Vietnamese Wikia doesn’t even show up at all
[2017-11-13 11:47:10] <Ursuul> & they have 80 pages
[2017-11-13 11:47:33] <The_Tidal_Wave> ey Urs i wanna ask a question
[2017-11-13 11:47:36] <Ursuul> ask
[2017-11-13 11:47:45] <The_Tidal_Wave> is there a difference
[2017-11-13 11:48:04] <The_Tidal_Wave> between Bureaucrat, and Community Admin + Code Admin?
[2017-11-13 11:48:11] <Ursuul> yes, big difference
[2017-11-13 11:48:20] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok
[2017-11-13 11:48:27] <The_Tidal_Wave> what differences
[2017-11-13 11:48:35] <Ursuul> literally only thing Bureaucrats can do is promote / demote users
[2017-11-13 11:48:44] <Ursuul> oh & they can block/unblock
[2017-11-13 11:48:46] <Ursuul> but that’s it
[2017-11-13 11:48:53] <Ursuul> it’s purely a rights management group
[2017-11-13 11:49:11] <The_Tidal_Wave> w8 so Bcrats can't access MediaWiki?
[2017-11-13 11:49:27] <Ursuul> if you only had Bureaucrat rights & not Admin/Code Admin rights? Yeah, you couldn’t touch MediaWiki
[2017-11-13 11:49:31] <Ursuul> unless you promoted yourself to admin
[2017-11-13 11:49:36] <Ursuul> which, as Bureaucrat, you could do
[2017-11-13 11:49:40] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok...
[2017-11-13 11:50:11] <The_Tidal_Wave> thought BCrat was all powerful.
[2017-11-13 11:50:18] <Ursuul> well it is, really
[2017-11-13 11:50:23] <Ursuul> because you cannot be demoted as a Bureaucrat
[2017-11-13 11:50:29] <Ursuul> & you can give yourself the rights to be all powerful
[2017-11-13 11:50:30] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok
[2017-11-13 11:50:35] <The_Tidal_Wave> lel.
[2017-11-13 11:50:47] <Ursuul> there are pages about this tho
[2017-11-13 11:50:49] <Ursuul> like for example
[2017-11-13 11:50:58] <Ursuul> just skim over [[Project:Bureaucrat]] & [[Project:Administrator]]
[2017-11-13 11:51:00] <Ursuul> just skim
[2017-11-13 11:51:02] <Ursuul> see how different
[2017-11-13 11:51:23] <The_Tidal_Wave> ooooooooooo
[2017-11-13 11:51:50] <Ursuul> Senior Administrators have both those rights, no one else does. & no one else but our bots have Administrator rights
[2017-11-13 11:51:57] <Ursuul> everyone else has Community Admin / Code Admin at the most
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[2017-11-13 11:52:35] <Ursuul> chat pls
[2017-11-13 11:53:02] <Ursuul> but yeah, you can read those rights pages if you really want more info
[2017-11-13 11:53:10] <Ursuul> it explains in exacting detail what each group can do
[2017-11-13 11:53:12] <Ursuul> with our custom setup
[2017-11-13 11:53:20] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok...
[2017-11-13 11:53:29] <Ursuul> http://diepio.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Local_User-Groups
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[2017-11-13 12:16:57] <Tacocat247> Hi
[2017-11-13 12:16:59] <The_Tidal_Wave> hi
[2017-11-13 12:17:29] <Tacocat247> Had to ban someone
[2017-11-13 12:17:33] <Tacocat247> Vandalism
[2017-11-13 12:17:34] <The_Tidal_Wave> i saw
[2017-11-13 12:18:47] <Tacocat247> Im bored
[2017-11-13 12:19:03] <The_Tidal_Wave> same
[2017-11-13 12:19:53] <Tacocat247> May I tell you something?
[2017-11-13 12:19:56] <The_Tidal_Wave> yes?
[2017-11-13 12:20:04] <Tacocat247> something.
[2017-11-13 12:20:06] <Tacocat247> :3
[2017-11-13 12:20:11] <The_Tidal_Wave> go on
[2017-11-13 12:20:12] <Tacocat247> Ok
[2017-11-13 12:20:14] <Ursuul> oh dang
[2017-11-13 12:20:15] <Ursuul> hi
[2017-11-13 12:20:18] <Tacocat247> Hi
[2017-11-13 12:20:21] <Ursuul> I saw the ban
[2017-11-13 12:20:21] <Ursuul> gg
[2017-11-13 12:20:26] <Tacocat247> yw
[2017-11-13 12:20:33] <Tacocat247> So
[2017-11-13 12:20:52] <Tacocat247> Idk if you saw the blog
[2017-11-13 12:20:58] <The_Tidal_Wave> i did
[2017-11-13 12:21:03] <The_Tidal_Wave> book?
[2017-11-13 12:21:08] <Tacocat247> Maybe
[2017-11-13 12:21:15] <Ursuul> I saw the blog you recently posted about Tacocats
[2017-11-13 12:21:21] <Ursuul> & I’m kinda on the fence about what to do with it
[2017-11-13 12:21:46] <Ursuul> if we get blog policies it’ll probably need to be moved somewhere, but as it stands it’s sorta relevant & it’s a fullish article
[2017-11-13 12:21:47] <Ursuul> so
[2017-11-13 12:21:51] <Ursuul> I think now we can let it be
[2017-11-13 12:21:55] <Ursuul> for now*
[2017-11-13 12:21:57] <Tacocat247> Ok
[2017-11-13 12:22:06] <The_Tidal_Wave> i'm against blog policies
[2017-11-13 12:22:10] <Tacocat247> (Thats kind of the reason i added the message above)
[2017-11-13 12:22:10] <The_Tidal_Wave> they
[2017-11-13 12:22:16] <The_Tidal_Wave> they're blogs
[2017-11-13 12:22:20] <The_Tidal_Wave> should be free content
[2017-11-13 12:22:23] <Tacocat247> ^
[2017-11-13 12:22:33] <Tacocat247> But at the end of the day
[2017-11-13 12:22:34] <Ursuul> idk man, have you visited Wikis with really strict blog standards?
[2017-11-13 12:22:37] <The_Tidal_Wave> no
[2017-11-13 12:22:44] <Ursuul> Star Wars, Central, Warriors, Dragon Age
[2017-11-13 12:22:44] <Tacocat247> You're in one of them
[2017-11-13 12:22:49] <Ursuul> they’re ALL good blogs
[2017-11-13 12:22:50] <Ursuul> like
[2017-11-13 12:22:52] <The_Tidal_Wave> i guess.
[2017-11-13 12:22:53] <Ursuul> genuinely enjoyable
[2017-11-13 12:22:55] <Ursuul> to read
[2017-11-13 12:22:59] <Ursuul> or informative in some way
[2017-11-13 12:22:59] <The_Tidal_Wave> hmm.
[2017-11-13 12:23:02] <Ursuul> depending on your niche
[2017-11-13 12:23:13] <Ursuul> whereas a lot of the blogs now are just...
[2017-11-13 12:23:17] <Ursuul> kinda off in space yknow
[2017-11-13 12:23:19] <The_Tidal_Wave> tbh i'm pretty neutral but slightly leaning towards against
[2017-11-13 12:23:24] <Ursuul> that’s fine
[2017-11-13 12:23:32] <Ursuul> but I mean take things like Ozziene's blogs
[2017-11-13 12:23:41] <The_Tidal_Wave> ...true
[2017-11-13 12:23:54] <Ursuul> like, those are literally embarassing
[2017-11-13 12:23:59] <Ursuul> & yknow, I’ve made bad blogs too
[2017-11-13 12:24:10] <Ursuul> I’ve made just a “I’m sick” blog before
[2017-11-13 12:24:17] <Ursuul> that, in retrospect, is pretty damn useless
[2017-11-13 12:24:17] <Tacocat247> Irony is this
[2017-11-13 12:24:45] <The_Tidal_Wave> ?
[2017-11-13 12:24:45] <Tacocat247> My newer pages are formatted like the real tank pages, with some changes and more consistency.
[2017-11-13 12:24:49] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok
[2017-11-13 12:24:55] <Tacocat247> My blogs are a mess
[2017-11-13 12:25:02] <The_Tidal_Wave> and what's so ironic about it
[2017-11-13 12:25:03] <Ursuul> that’s actually what we’ve been driving towards with the Fanon Policies 
[2017-11-13 12:25:17] <Ursuul> getting you to make articles that are as good, or nearly as good, as Canon articles
[2017-11-13 12:25:23] <Ursuul> because we want the stuff people read to be good
[2017-11-13 12:25:24] <Ursuul> yknow?
[2017-11-13 12:25:27] <Tacocat247> [[Concept:Sprayblaster]]
[2017-11-13 12:25:37] <The_Tidal_Wave> it's actually discouraging people from making conceptions
[2017-11-13 12:25:47] <Ursuul> wdym?
[2017-11-13 12:25:48] <Tacocat247> I have to agree
[2017-11-13 12:25:54] <Ursuul> @Taco that’s actually really good
[2017-11-13 12:26:02] <Tacocat247> Some people are not experienced writers.
[2017-11-13 12:26:04] <The_Tidal_Wave> a lot of people say that the rules are unnecessary
[2017-11-13 12:26:05] <Ursuul> it looks like it could be real
[2017-11-13 12:26:11] <Tacocat247> Thanks!
[2017-11-13 12:26:18] <Ursuul> well thing is Tidal
[2017-11-13 12:26:34] <The_Tidal_Wave> i like them
[2017-11-13 12:26:35] <Ursuul> would you rather see 10 pages that are absolute garbage, or 1 page that looks really good that might actually be in-game?
[2017-11-13 12:26:40] <The_Tidal_Wave> 1.
[2017-11-13 12:26:46] <Tacocat247> Well
[2017-11-13 12:26:49] <Tacocat247> It depends
[2017-11-13 12:26:57] <Ursuul> that’s kind of what we’re aiming for with the policies then
[2017-11-13 12:26:59] <Tacocat247> If i just saw them, then one
[2017-11-13 12:27:05] <Ursuul> quality over quantity 
[2017-11-13 12:27:10] <Tacocat247> If i could give feedback
[2017-11-13 12:27:14] <Tacocat247> Then the 10
[2017-11-13 12:27:34] <Ursuul> well thing is that you can give Feedback on articles that don’t meet the standards
[2017-11-13 12:27:44] <Tacocat247> Oh yeah
[2017-11-13 12:27:46] <Ursuul> if you go through [[Special:Random/User]] then you can sometimes hit those moved conceptions
[2017-11-13 12:27:48] <Tacocat247> One more thing 
[2017-11-13 12:27:51] <Tacocat247> About concepts
[2017-11-13 12:27:52] <Ursuul> & then give them feedback on how to improve it
[2017-11-13 12:27:54] <Ursuul> ok?
[2017-11-13 12:27:55] <Tacocat247> A question
[2017-11-13 12:27:57] <Ursuul> ask
[2017-11-13 12:27:59] <Tacocat247> Images.
[2017-11-13 12:28:04] <Ursuul> what about?
[2017-11-13 12:28:10] <Tacocat247> Do they have standards? :3
[2017-11-13 12:28:22] <The_Tidal_Wave> probably not.
[2017-11-13 12:28:23] <Ursuul> no, other than like, literal pornography 
[2017-11-13 12:28:26] <The_Tidal_Wave> ^
[2017-11-13 12:28:34] <Tacocat247> I experienced that on Cuphead wikia
[2017-11-13 12:28:38] <The_Tidal_Wave> rly?
[2017-11-13 12:28:40] <Ursuul> we pretty much gave up trying to organize files because there’s just too damn many
[2017-11-13 12:28:41] <The_Tidal_Wave> how so?
[2017-11-13 12:28:43] <Ursuul> & the community isn’t into it
[2017-11-13 12:28:43] <Tacocat247> One of the prime reasons i pushed for no anon editing.
[2017-11-13 12:28:55] <The_Tidal_Wave> i'm paranoid on anon editing
[2017-11-13 12:29:00] <Tacocat247> Me 2
[2017-11-13 12:29:12] <Ursuul> don’t worry, I will not hesitate to shut it off if we have issues
[2017-11-13 12:29:14] <Ursuul> you have my promise
[2017-11-13 12:29:16] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok
[2017-11-13 12:29:18] <Ursuul> I will not allow things to get bad
[2017-11-13 12:29:26] <The_Tidal_Wave> Ice is also back
[2017-11-13 12:29:30] <Ursuul> huh
[2017-11-13 12:29:47] <The_Tidal_Wave> am a bit paranoid
[2017-11-13 12:29:50] <Tacocat247> I think there should be a command where it automatically types a ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[2017-11-13 12:29:58] <Ursuul> (lenny)
[2017-11-13 12:30:02] <Tacocat247> [font="arial"]( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[2017-11-13 12:30:06] <The_Tidal_Wave> dude still makes his stuff outside of concept namespace and without author
[2017-11-13 12:30:09] <Tacocat247> never mind
[2017-11-13 12:30:22] <Tacocat247> Oh, also
[2017-11-13 12:30:26] <Tacocat247> [[Concept:Bandolier]]
[2017-11-13 12:30:30] <Ursuul> it looks like it’ll be moved to User space anyway Tidal
[2017-11-13 12:30:34] <The_Tidal_Wave> rip
[2017-11-13 12:30:35] <Ursuul> what about @Taco?
[2017-11-13 12:30:45] <Ursuul> oh nice
[2017-11-13 12:30:59] <Ursuul> now, @Taco there may not be standards for images
[2017-11-13 12:31:02] <Ursuul> but if you want some advice
[2017-11-13 12:31:18] <Ursuul> make your Infobox Tabber images have a 2.35:1 aspect ratio landscape
[2017-11-13 12:31:23] <Tacocat247> [small]G O T O G R A V O R G E L L Y
[2017-11-13 12:31:26] <Ursuul> that way in Mercury the full image will show up
[2017-11-13 12:31:40] <Ursuul> huh?
[2017-11-13 12:31:43] <Tacocat247> Elaborate 
[2017-11-13 12:31:43] <Ursuul> I’m just sayin’ for you
[2017-11-13 12:31:51] <Ursuul> well
[2017-11-13 12:31:53] <Ursuul> the way portable infoboxes work
[2017-11-13 12:31:54] <Tacocat247> Exactly how do i do that?
[2017-11-13 12:31:58] <Ursuul> oh
[2017-11-13 12:32:12] <Ursuul> well 2.35:1 basically means the width is 2.35 times larger than the height
[2017-11-13 12:32:25] <Ursuul> so if I have a 1,000 pixel image that is square
[2017-11-13 12:32:34] <Ursuul> I would make it 2,350 pixels wide & 1,000 pixels tall
[2017-11-13 12:32:46] <Ursuul> that way, in Mercury (mobile) the full image is properly displayed
[2017-11-13 12:32:51] <Tacocat247> aaaah
[2017-11-13 12:32:56] <Tacocat247> ok
[2017-11-13 12:32:58] <The_Tidal_Wave> is that why the tank images for mainspace are like that
[2017-11-13 12:33:02] <Ursuul> ^
[2017-11-13 12:33:03] <Ursuul> yes
[2017-11-13 12:33:06] <Ursuul> we had a huge project
[2017-11-13 12:33:09] <Ursuul> to make them like that
[2017-11-13 12:33:10] <Tacocat247> I might immediately forget but
[2017-11-13 12:33:18] <The_Tidal_Wave> i dislike
[2017-11-13 12:33:24] <Ursuul> what do you dislike?
[2017-11-13 12:33:26] <Tacocat247> So
[2017-11-13 12:33:28] <The_Tidal_Wave> the pics
[2017-11-13 12:33:36] <The_Tidal_Wave> i like just a tank pic better
[2017-11-13 12:33:37] <Ursuul> because they’re blurry or because they’re wide?
[2017-11-13 12:33:40] <The_Tidal_Wave> eh whatevs
[2017-11-13 12:33:42] <The_Tidal_Wave> OCD
[2017-11-13 12:33:53] <Tacocat247> http://diepio.wikia.com/wiki/Concept%3ARammer_(Pec110)
[2017-11-13 12:33:53] <The_Tidal_Wave> the grey space is unsettling
[2017-11-13 12:34:01] <Tacocat247> Mind if I fix the image?
[2017-11-13 12:34:07] <The_Tidal_Wave> lel
[2017-11-13 12:34:22] <Ursuul> sure
[2017-11-13 12:34:26] <Ursuul> @Tidal
[2017-11-13 12:34:29] <Ursuul> you know I agree
[2017-11-13 12:34:31] <Tacocat247> I remember when this
[2017-11-13 12:34:33] <Ursuul> I liked the images before
[2017-11-13 12:34:36] <Tacocat247> [img="vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/diepio/images/4/4a/Rammer.png/revision/20170801105314"]
[2017-11-13 12:34:38] <Tacocat247> Was an emote
[2017-11-13 12:34:48] <The_Tidal_Wave> back in DCoW?
[2017-11-13 12:34:51] <Tacocat247> Yes,'
[2017-11-13 12:34:55] <Tacocat247> I miss those times
[2017-11-13 12:35:02] <Tacocat247> With the emote button
[2017-11-13 12:35:08] <Ursuul> @Tidal
[2017-11-13 12:35:12] <Tacocat247> With Fanon emotes
[2017-11-13 12:35:12] <The_Tidal_Wave> ?
[2017-11-13 12:35:12] <Ursuul> if the image was transparent
[2017-11-13 12:35:20] <Tacocat247> No icon
[2017-11-13 12:35:26] <Ursuul> so that you see just the tank pic
[2017-11-13 12:35:30] <The_Tidal_Wave> what about it
[2017-11-13 12:35:33] <The_Tidal_Wave> would it be huge
[2017-11-13 12:35:47] <Ursuul> no it would be the same size & look the same just without the canvas
[2017-11-13 12:35:53] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok
[2017-11-13 12:35:59] <Ursuul> it would be an image that is still 2.35:1, but the non-tank part would be transparent
[2017-11-13 12:36:05] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok
[2017-11-13 12:36:06] <Ursuul> so you don’t see anything, so it just looks like a tank pic
[2017-11-13 12:36:08] <Tacocat247> You know 
[2017-11-13 12:36:11] <Ursuul> would that look good?
[2017-11-13 12:36:12] <Tacocat247> Looking at Rammer
[2017-11-13 12:36:15] <The_Tidal_Wave> maybe.
[2017-11-13 12:36:23] <Tacocat247> it makes me feel nostalgic.
[2017-11-13 12:36:50] <Ursuul> question for both of you
[2017-11-13 12:36:50] <Tacocat247> I have not seen that tank in ages
[2017-11-13 12:36:52] <Tacocat247> ??
[2017-11-13 12:37:02] <Ursuul> who specifically has said they feel they cannot make conceptions / discouraged about making them?
[2017-11-13 12:37:41] <Tacocat247> Well
[2017-11-13 12:37:56] <The_Tidal_Wave> Auf
[2017-11-13 12:38:00] <Tacocat247> ^
[2017-11-13 12:38:01] <Ursuul> ok
[2017-11-13 12:38:15] <Tacocat247> Ursulu
[2017-11-13 12:38:21] <Tacocat247> 2 things
[2017-11-13 12:38:34] <The_Tidal_Wave> dude also said he's not making conceptions anymore, due to feeling different about here and DW
[2017-11-13 12:38:37] <Ursuul> next time someone says they feel discouraged, could you explain to them that they can make conceptions in their user-space at any time, & that if it’s good enough, it can be “promoted” to concept space?
[2017-11-13 12:38:45] <The_Tidal_Wave> ooo
[2017-11-13 12:38:53] <Ursuul> because that’s basically how it works
[2017-11-13 12:38:56] <Ursuul> you can make whatever you want
[2017-11-13 12:39:09] <Ursuul> but they have to meet a certain standard of quality to be that visible
[2017-11-13 12:39:11] <Ursuul> in the concept space
[2017-11-13 12:39:14] <Tacocat247> Ursuul
[2017-11-13 12:39:15] <Tacocat247> 2 things
[2017-11-13 12:39:17] <Ursuul> ok
[2017-11-13 12:39:19] <Ursuul> tell
[2017-11-13 12:39:25] <Tacocat247> [img="vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/diepio/images/5/5d/AntiHadronHD.png/revision/latest?cb=20171111043953"]
[2017-11-13 12:39:32] <Tacocat247> I redid Anti-Hadron
[2017-11-13 12:39:38] <Tacocat247> Y'know
[2017-11-13 12:39:41] <Ursuul> it looks v-cool
[2017-11-13 12:39:47] <Tacocat247> The tank on the Collab template?
[2017-11-13 12:40:09] <Tacocat247> And two
[2017-11-13 12:40:16] <Tacocat247> Dammit
[2017-11-13 12:40:21] <Tacocat247> I forgot (xd)
[2017-11-13 12:40:22] <Ursuul> forgot? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)  
[2017-11-13 12:40:28] <The_Tidal_Wave> eh heh hwh
[2017-11-13 12:40:30] <The_Tidal_Wave> heh
[2017-11-13 12:40:30] <Ursuul> sorreh
[2017-11-13 12:40:35] <Tacocat247> herros
[2017-11-13 12:40:44] <Ursuul> but can you do what I asked whenever you see someone who says they feel they cannot make conceptions?
[2017-11-13 12:40:49] <Ursuul> Because we WANT people to make conceptions
[2017-11-13 12:41:01] <Ursuul> the more you make, the more chances there are of it being high quality enough to be in Concept space
[2017-11-13 12:41:12] <Tacocat247> [img="vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/diepio/images/2/22/ShatteredSoulHD.png/revision/latest?cb=20171113041854"]
[2017-11-13 12:41:17] <Ursuul> whoag
[2017-11-13 12:41:22] <The_Tidal_Wave> what's that
[2017-11-13 12:41:26] <Tacocat247> Shattered Soul
[2017-11-13 12:41:33] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok
[2017-11-13 12:41:38] <Tacocat247> [[ConceptElements of Harmony]]
[2017-11-13 12:41:41] <Tacocat247> Fail
[2017-11-13 12:41:44] <Ursuul> rip
[2017-11-13 12:41:47] <Tacocat247> [[Concept:Elements of Harmony]]
[2017-11-13 12:41:51] <Ursuul> but srs, can you do that?
[2017-11-13 12:41:55] <Ursuul> before the conversation meanders on
[2017-11-13 12:42:23] <Tacocat247> I don't know [font="arial"]( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)  
[2017-11-13 12:42:33] <Ursuul> 😏 
[2017-11-13 12:42:49] <Ursuul> seriously though, we do want people to concept, so I would appreciate it
[2017-11-13 12:43:18] <Ursuul> we want people to feel free to make conceptions without also having low-quality articles up for readers
[2017-11-13 12:43:41] <The_Tidal_Wave> i think they want to make stuff so that people can read it
[2017-11-13 12:44:01] <The_Tidal_Wave> if they're left in userspace what's the point
[2017-11-13 12:45:00] <The_Tidal_Wave> by the way.
[2017-11-13 12:45:13] <The_Tidal_Wave> Ursuul, me and Enig were talking in Discord
[2017-11-13 12:45:17] <Ursuul> they [i]can[/i] be read if you link them, even on mobile, but there needs to be give & take. The Wikia as a whole needs to have good content that readers want to read, & creators want their content to be read, so to solve that creators need to make good stuff
[2017-11-13 12:45:18] <Ursuul> oh
[2017-11-13 12:45:21] <Ursuul> about?
[2017-11-13 12:45:37] <The_Tidal_Wave> He said he wanted to unban his Drac account and ban Enigmium instead
[2017-11-13 12:45:51] <Ursuul> w8 wtf
[2017-11-13 12:46:00] <Ursuul> Drac is Enigmium?
[2017-11-13 12:46:06] <Ursuul> I thought Drac was a separate person
[2017-11-13 12:46:08] <The_Tidal_Wave> you just knew?
[2017-11-13 12:46:19] <The_Tidal_Wave> he's also AquamarineB
[2017-11-13 12:46:31] <Ursuul> I knew some, I flagged some of his alts for him, but he did not report Drac
[2017-11-13 12:46:52] <Ursuul> Unfortunately though, he used Drac to break the rules
[2017-11-13 12:46:54] <The_Tidal_Wave> now Drac is banned for infinity 
[2017-11-13 12:46:58] <The_Tidal_Wave> he wants to swap
[2017-11-13 12:47:09] <Ursuul> He shouldn’t have spammed about furry porn in Chat then
[2017-11-13 12:47:38] <The_Tidal_Wave> eh.
[2017-11-13 12:47:41] <The_Tidal_Wave> so no?
[2017-11-13 12:47:58] <Ursuul> If he A) followed all the rules, or B) reported all his alts like he was supposed to, then I would’ve been totally ok with it
[2017-11-13 12:48:06] <The_Tidal_Wave> so no.
[2017-11-13 12:48:11] <Ursuul> but now I learn that he had alts that he did not report, & that he used some of them to break the rules
[2017-11-13 12:48:12] <Ursuul> so no
[2017-11-13 12:48:36] <Ursuul> In fact I thought he was totally innocent
[2017-11-13 12:48:41] <Ursuul> this changes basically everything, & I like Auf
[2017-11-13 12:48:50] <Ursuul> I don’t like to be /that admin/ who has to enforce rules all the time
[2017-11-13 12:49:07] <Ursuul> but he used sockpuppets in a bad way, so we can’t have them anymore
[2017-11-13 12:49:12] <Ursuul> he*
[2017-11-13 12:49:42] <Ursuul> sorry if I sound like a hard ass
[2017-11-13 12:49:53] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok
[2017-11-13 12:50:03] -!- Tacocat247 has joined Special:Chat
[2017-11-13 12:50:05] <Tacocat247> Internet
[2017-11-13 12:50:23] <Tacocat247> What did i miss?
[2017-11-13 12:50:28] <The_Tidal_Wave> a lot.
[2017-11-13 12:50:31] <The_Tidal_Wave> !update logs
[2017-11-13 12:50:35] <The_Tidal_Wave> !updatelogs
[2017-11-13 12:50:35] <Özün_Oldun> The Tidal Wave: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~287 to log page).
[2017-11-13 12:50:37] <The_Tidal_Wave> read
[2017-11-13 12:50:48] <Ursuul> @Tidal can you ask Auf to choose one account he would like to use
[2017-11-13 12:50:59] <The_Tidal_Wave> Auf and Enpan?
[2017-11-13 12:51:12] <Tacocat247> Ursuul: Logs not updated (added ~(-287) to [[Octo Tank|Octo Dank]]). 
[2017-11-13 12:51:17] <The_Tidal_Wave> ?
[2017-11-13 12:51:29] <Ursuul> Auf / Enpan / Enigmium / many other accounts
[2017-11-13 12:51:37] <The_Tidal_Wave> uh...
[2017-11-13 12:51:49] <Tacocat247> I already know about Enig
[2017-11-13 12:51:54] <The_Tidal_Wave> Aufmerksam = Enpanzran
[2017-11-13 12:52:00] <The_Tidal_Wave> ItzDracius = Enigmium
[2017-11-13 12:52:16] <Tacocat247> Enig told me he was going to use Enigmium instead of Drac, but I need comfirmation
[2017-11-13 12:52:18] <Ursuul> w8 w8 w8
[2017-11-13 12:52:28] <Ursuul> I thought you said that Auf = Enig = Drac
[2017-11-13 12:52:31] <The_Tidal_Wave> no no no
[2017-11-13 12:52:35] <The_Tidal_Wave> Auf =/= Enig
[2017-11-13 12:52:39] <Ursuul> OHHHHH
[2017-11-13 12:52:41] <The_Tidal_Wave> Auf = Enpan
[2017-11-13 12:52:49] <Ursuul> I know Auf = Enpan
[2017-11-13 12:52:52] <Tacocat247> brb]
[2017-11-13 12:52:56] <Ursuul> but I thought you said Auf = Enig
[2017-11-13 12:52:59] <The_Tidal_Wave> noooooooooooooooo
[2017-11-13 12:53:06] <The_Tidal_Wave> Drac = Enig
[2017-11-13 12:53:08] <Ursuul> ok Auf is fine then
[2017-11-13 12:53:18] <Ursuul> I was really goddamn disappointed for a bit
[2017-11-13 12:53:24] <Ursuul> because I respect Auf
[2017-11-13 12:53:32] <The_Tidal_Wave> misunderstanding
[2017-11-13 12:53:34] <The_Tidal_Wave> welp.
[2017-11-13 12:53:35] <Ursuul> ye
[2017-11-13 12:53:37] <Ursuul> ok
[2017-11-13 12:53:41] <Ursuul> so it’s just Drac & Enig
[2017-11-13 12:53:43] <The_Tidal_Wave> yes.
[2017-11-13 12:54:14] <Ursuul> Ok. So, let me check which account did the actual spamming, but chances are the answer is gonna be no
[2017-11-13 12:54:37] -!- Tacocat247 has joined Special:Chat
[2017-11-13 12:54:40] <The_Tidal_Wave> hi
[2017-11-13 12:54:42] <The_Tidal_Wave> again
[2017-11-13 12:54:57] <Tacocat247> What did i miss now
[2017-11-13 12:55:00] <Tacocat247> wait
[2017-11-13 12:55:03] <The_Tidal_Wave> nothing
[2017-11-13 12:55:04] <Ursuul> misunderstanding
[2017-11-13 12:55:04] <Tacocat247> !uptade logs
[2017-11-13 12:55:10] <Ursuul> no space
[2017-11-13 12:55:11] <Tacocat247> !update logs
[2017-11-13 12:55:11] <The_Tidal_Wave> !updatelogs
[2017-11-13 12:55:11] <Özün_Oldun> The Tidal Wave: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~43 to log page).
[2017-11-13 12:55:15] <Tacocat247> fail
[2017-11-13 12:55:19] <Tacocat247> UPTADE
[2017-11-13 12:55:41] <Ursuul> actually
[2017-11-13 12:55:43] <Ursuul> @Tidal
[2017-11-13 12:55:51] <Ursuul> turns out he used Enig to do the actual spamming
[2017-11-13 12:55:52] <Ursuul> not Drac
[2017-11-13 12:55:55] <Ursuul> so tell him this
[2017-11-13 12:56:08] <The_Tidal_Wave> tell him...
[2017-11-13 12:56:20] -!- Tacocat247 has joined Special:Chat
[2017-11-13 12:56:24] <Tacocat247> Might gtg
[2017-11-13 12:56:28] <Ursuul> have him come to my wall, apologize for his actions & promise not to do them again, & if he does that I will switch the block
[2017-11-13 12:56:33] <Ursuul> but if I do, I will not switch it back
[2017-11-13 12:56:40] <Ursuul> because Enig is the account he used to do the spam
[2017-11-13 12:56:40] <The_Tidal_Wave> ok.
[2017-11-13 12:56:44] <Ursuul> so if it gets banned it stays banned
[2017-11-13 12:56:51] <Tacocat247> Gtg in a bit
[2017-11-13 12:56:54] <Ursuul> actually one last thing
[2017-11-13 12:56:59] <The_Tidal_Wave> ?
[2017-11-13 12:57:02] <Ursuul> tell him to report any other alts he has for deletion as well
[2017-11-13 12:57:13] <Tacocat247> I only know of one other alt
[2017-11-13 12:57:18] <Tacocat247> But i forgot its name
[2017-11-13 12:57:21] <Ursuul> If he does that, apologizes, promises not to spam like that again, then I’ll switch the block.
[2017-11-13 12:57:22] <The_Tidal_Wave> Creative Slime
[2017-11-13 12:57:27] <Tacocat247> There
[2017-11-13 12:57:30] <Ursuul> you’re sure?
[2017-11-13 12:57:32] <Ursuul> that’s his?
[2017-11-13 12:57:42] <Ursuul> don’t tell him I know
[2017-11-13 12:57:49] <Ursuul> (unless you already did)
[2017-11-13 12:57:53] <Ursuul> because we can use this to test his honesty
[2017-11-13 12:58:01] <Ursuul> if he doesn’t report Creative Slime we know he’s not being honest
[2017-11-13 12:58:05] <The_Tidal_Wave> didn't tell him
[2017-11-13 12:58:08] <Ursuul> ok
[2017-11-13 12:58:21] <The_Tidal_Wave> heh.
[2017-11-13 12:58:25] <Tacocat247> Before I go
[2017-11-13 12:58:31] <Ursuul> so just tell him then that if he comes to my wall, apologizes, promises not to do that again, & reports all his alts, then I will move the block. But I won’t move it back.
[2017-11-13 12:58:32] <Tacocat247> 3 things
[2017-11-13 12:58:35] <Ursuul> then we can test his honesty
[2017-11-13 12:58:39] <Ursuul> sure Taco
[2017-11-13 12:58:41] <Ursuul> what is it?
[2017-11-13 12:58:54] <Tacocat247> By 3 things I mean images B/c i have nothing better to do
[2017-11-13 12:59:05] <Tacocat247> im bored, ok?
[2017-11-13 12:59:06] <The_Tidal_Wave> ...
[2017-11-13 12:59:10] <Ursuul> ok lol
[2017-11-13 12:59:22] <The_Tidal_Wave> go on
[2017-11-13 12:59:25] <Tacocat247> You might have seen this one
[2017-11-13 12:59:29] <Tacocat247> [img="vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/diepio/images/f/f3/CelestiaHD.png/revision/latest?cb=20171112163712"]
[2017-11-13 12:59:56] <Ursuul> what about it
[2017-11-13 12:59:58] <Ursuul> it looks good
[2017-11-13 13:00:04] <Tacocat247> Maybe this one
[2017-11-13 13:00:08] <Tacocat247> [img="vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/diepio/images/b/b4/CadenzaHD.png/revision/latest?cb=20171113010234"]
[2017-11-13 13:00:09] <Ursuul> it’s basically a viable Auto Smasher ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)  
[2017-11-13 13:00:12] <Ursuul> o'
[2017-11-13 13:00:30] <Ursuul> tbh @Taco
[2017-11-13 13:00:40] <Ursuul> Auto Smasher, the real tank in-game, should have 2/3 auto turrets
[2017-11-13 13:00:44] <Tacocat247> No
[2017-11-13 13:00:45] <Ursuul> it would be actually balanced then
[2017-11-13 13:00:59] <Tacocat247> Imo, one of two changes should take place
[2017-11-13 13:01:00] <Tacocat247> One
[2017-11-13 13:01:11] <Tacocat247> Have the stats be determined by other stats
[2017-11-13 13:01:18] <Tacocat247> Reload = Movement speed
[2017-11-13 13:01:18] <Ursuul> huh?
[2017-11-13 13:01:22] <Ursuul> oh
[2017-11-13 13:01:33] <Tacocat247> Bullet Damage/Penetration = Body Damage/Max Health
[2017-11-13 13:01:42] <Tacocat247> Bullet Speed = Movement speed
[2017-11-13 13:01:43] <Tacocat247> Or
[2017-11-13 13:01:51] <Tacocat247> Have the turret upgrade on its own
[2017-11-13 13:01:52] <Tacocat247> gtg
[2017-11-13 13:01:54] <The_Tidal_Wave> bye
[2017-11-13 13:01:56] <Ursuul> bai
[2017-11-13 13:02:24] <Ursuul> @Tidal want to bounce something off ya
[2017-11-13 13:02:26] <The_Tidal_Wave> ?
[2017-11-13 13:02:36] <Ursuul> lemme just say I personally think this is a bad idea
[2017-11-13 13:02:40] <Ursuul> but I wanna know what you think
[2017-11-13 13:02:49] <The_Tidal_Wave> what i think about?
[2017-11-13 13:02:55] <The_Tidal_Wave> about what
[2017-11-13 13:02:55] <Ursuul> So, some Wikis do something called “Admin Review”
[2017-11-13 13:02:56] <Ursuul> where
[2017-11-13 13:03:00] <Ursuul> every month or so
[2017-11-13 13:03:18] <Ursuul> each member of Staff is voted on by the Community to judge whether they are using their rights to the Community’s satisfaction 
[2017-11-13 13:03:25] <Ursuul> & if the community votes no, they get demoted
[2017-11-13 13:03:31] <Ursuul> if they vote yes they keep their rights
[2017-11-13 13:03:43] <The_Tidal_Wave> ...no.
[2017-11-13 13:03:46] <Ursuul> ye
[2017-11-13 13:03:47] <Ursuul> bad
[2017-11-13 13:03:54] <Ursuul> but I wanted to know what ya thought
[2017-11-13 13:04:10] <The_Tidal_Wave> no thx
[2017-11-13 13:04:24] <Ursuul> the big problem with that is that if you have so many votes every month, then usually each vote is gonna have a small group of people
[2017-11-13 13:04:35] <Ursuul> so that tiny group of people who actually care suddenly get to control all of staff
[2017-11-13 13:04:37] <Ursuul> just because they showed up
[2017-11-13 13:04:43] <Ursuul> which is bad
[2017-11-13 13:04:55] <The_Tidal_Wave> yeah
[2017-11-13 13:05:10] <The_Tidal_Wave> bad
[2017-11-13 13:05:20] <Ursuul> ok, so that out of the way, I have one more open-ended question before we can go back to uhhhh
[2017-11-13 13:05:24] <Ursuul> doing nothing, I guess
[2017-11-13 13:05:24] <Ursuul> lmao
[2017-11-13 13:05:26] <Ursuul> anyway
[2017-11-13 13:05:28] <The_Tidal_Wave> heh
[2017-11-13 13:05:51] <Ursuul> overall, generally, how much do you like the way the Wiki is run?
[2017-11-13 13:05:56] <Ursuul> or dislike
[2017-11-13 13:06:02] <The_Tidal_Wave> it's good
[2017-11-13 13:06:09] <Ursuul> ok
[2017-11-13 13:06:19] <Ursuul> that’s good to hear
[2017-11-13 13:06:36] <Ursuul> a lot of people sometimes don’t get their way & don’t feel real happy, so it’s nice to know that the system in general is good
[2017-11-13 13:06:41] <Ursuul> what would you do to make it better?
[2017-11-13 13:07:04] <The_Tidal_Wave> uh...
[2017-11-13 13:07:26] <Ursuul> like if you were suddenly the sole bureaucrat with full power over everyone
[2017-11-13 13:07:30] <Ursuul> what would ya change?
[2017-11-13 13:07:46] <The_Tidal_Wave> tbh if that happened i'd give the power to sbd else but uh...
[2017-11-13 13:07:59] <The_Tidal_Wave> lemme think
[2017-11-13 13:08:02] <Ursuul> ok
[2017-11-13 13:08:24] <Ursuul> (also same btw, about being a sole-bureaucrat with full power, I never want to have just a singular bureaucrat, I always want at least two)
[2017-11-13 13:08:27] <The_Tidal_Wave> mayyybe ditch some of the conception rules?
[2017-11-13 13:08:34] <The_Tidal_Wave> (i saw the rule of 2 thing)
[2017-11-13 13:08:39] <The_Tidal_Wave> (like Sith)
[2017-11-13 13:08:42] <Ursuul> :)
[2017-11-13 13:08:45] <The_Tidal_Wave> also maybe no swearing
[2017-11-13 13:08:58] <Ursuul> ok, so what do you think would be the direct effects of those rules?
[2017-11-13 13:09:04] <Ursuul> Assuming you could implement them successfully 
[2017-11-13 13:09:08] <The_Tidal_Wave> idk honestly
[2017-11-13 13:09:20] <The_Tidal_Wave> probably fail, knowing how much people swear constantly here
[2017-11-13 13:09:35] <Ursuul> no I mean, assuming you don’t fail
[2017-11-13 13:09:45] <Ursuul> assuming once you say the word the policy goes into place & works like magic
[2017-11-13 13:09:50] <The_Tidal_Wave> um
[2017-11-13 13:10:03] <The_Tidal_Wave> maybe some better-disciplined people?
[2017-11-13 13:10:13] <The_Tidal_Wave> probs not tho
[2017-11-13 13:10:33] <Ursuul> in what way would removing / cutting down the fanon policies make people more disciplined, you think?
[2017-11-13 13:10:43] <The_Tidal_Wave> that's just the swearing
[2017-11-13 13:10:48] <Ursuul> ok
[2017-11-13 13:11:01] <Ursuul> I think yeah that would be an effect
[2017-11-13 13:11:07] <Ursuul> marginal, but there
[2017-11-13 13:11:24] <Ursuul> & what would result of the fanon policies being trimmed / removed?
[2017-11-13 13:11:36] <The_Tidal_Wave> maybe more people would like to make stuff
[2017-11-13 13:11:45] <Ursuul> true, very good
[2017-11-13 13:12:00] <Ursuul> so now what is the effect of that, of more people making whatever they want without standards?
[2017-11-13 13:12:12] <The_Tidal_Wave> uh...
[2017-11-13 13:12:22] <The_Tidal_Wave> more views and attracting some people, i guess?
[2017-11-13 13:12:42] <The_Tidal_Wave> although a side effect would be lower overall quality.
[2017-11-13 13:13:33] <Ursuul> Attracting editors maybe, maybe, but more views? No. Statistically we have seen that over time, DW views have been going up now that we have conceptions & as less low quality conceptions are present each day, whereas looking at Quantcast data from DCoW, you went up at first, but then got on a downward spiral.
[2017-11-13 13:13:54] <Ursuul> Lower overall quality wouldn’t be a side effect, it would be the primary effect, sadly.
[2017-11-13 13:14:01] <Ursuul> so there’s pros & cons
[2017-11-13 13:14:14] <The_Tidal_Wave> hmmm.
[2017-11-13 13:14:22] <Ursuul> on one hand, more users might join the wiki / feel free to concept, & on the other hand, quality decreases & the Wiki gets less views
[2017-11-13 13:14:29] <The_Tidal_Wave> ...true...
[2017-11-13 13:14:35] <Ursuul> this is just the facts right?
[2017-11-13 13:14:38] <The_Tidal_Wave> yeah.
[2017-11-13 13:14:39] <Ursuul> not made any judgments yet
[2017-11-13 13:14:45] <Ursuul> so based on these facts
[2017-11-13 13:14:53] <The_Tidal_Wave> the thing about me is that i absolutely cannot lead
[2017-11-13 13:15:02] <Ursuul> I know, I’m not asking you to lead
[2017-11-13 13:15:04] <Ursuul> I’m asking you to think
[2017-11-13 13:15:05] <Ursuul> for a bit
[2017-11-13 13:15:06] <The_Tidal_Wave> i have to have someone that has higher power over me
[2017-11-13 13:15:16] <The_Tidal_Wave> i know, i'm just sayin'
[2017-11-13 13:15:33] <Ursuul> Aye, but power here is bottom-up, so votes count, voices matter, so even though you aren’t leading, you need to be aware, agree?
[2017-11-13 13:15:38] <The_Tidal_Wave> agree.
[2017-11-13 13:16:11] <Ursuul> So then, based on these facts, would you not want to try to get both high quality pages, better views, while ALSO encouraging users to make conceptions / join the Wiki?
[2017-11-13 13:16:42] <The_Tidal_Wave> I'd want to, but i don't know How.
[2017-11-13 13:16:58] <Ursuul> That’s where I can help I think.
[2017-11-13 13:17:36] <The_Tidal_Wave> ooo
[2017-11-13 13:17:38] <The_Tidal_Wave> how
[2017-11-13 13:18:12] <Ursuul> Remember:
[2017-11-13 13:18:12] <Ursuul> Stripping policies = more users who feel freer to concept.
[2017-11-13 13:18:12] <Ursuul> Tightening policies = higher quality + more views.
[2017-11-13 13:18:12] <Ursuul> 
[2017-11-13 13:18:12] <Ursuul> What if, we could tighten the policies, but do something [i]else[/i] in addition to try & make users feel more comfortable joining / concepting?
[2017-11-13 13:18:38] <Ursuul> Do you think it would be easier to tighten the policies & then convince users to concept, or easier to loosen the policies & then try to increase quality?
[2017-11-13 13:18:41] <Ursuul> ^ that is the big question
[2017-11-13 13:18:56] <The_Tidal_Wave> uh.......................................................
[2017-11-13 13:19:09] <The_Tidal_Wave> [i]processing
[2017-11-13 13:19:12] <Ursuul> ignore the above, just answer this:
[2017-11-13 13:19:12] <Ursuul> Do you think it would be easier to tighten the policies & then convince users to concept, or easier to loosen the policies & then try to increase quality?
[2017-11-13 13:19:33] <The_Tidal_Wave> convincing is a pretty hard thing to do
[2017-11-13 13:19:47] <Ursuul> ok, so lets indulge that it’s the latter option
[2017-11-13 13:19:53] <The_Tidal_Wave> but if we loosen the policies, then the quality would get even lower
[2017-11-13 13:19:57] <Ursuul> How then would you go about increasing quality, without enforcing policies?
[2017-11-13 13:20:02] <The_Tidal_Wave> uhhhh
[2017-11-13 13:20:04] <Ursuul> because we’re tryna do both
[2017-11-13 13:20:09] <The_Tidal_Wave> conceptor of the month?
[2017-11-13 13:20:28] <Ursuul> we effectively already had that, with tournaments & accolades / medals
[2017-11-13 13:20:33] <Ursuul> yet statistics show it didn’t work
[2017-11-13 13:20:34] <The_Tidal_Wave> people who make good concepts of high quality can- oh.
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[2017-11-13 13:20:49] <The_Tidal_Wave> hi
[2017-11-13 13:21:02] <Ursuul> the issue with that is that it doesn’t improve or remove the low quality conceptions
[2017-11-13 13:21:13] <Ursuul> so how do we not change any policies, but still increase quality?
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[2017-11-13 13:21:33] <The_Tidal_Wave> we need to get some way to improve the low quality ones
[2017-11-13 13:21:57] <Ursuul> so how? One way I think, would be to remove the ownership rule
[2017-11-13 13:22:02] <Ursuul> anyone can edit anyone’s page & improve it
[2017-11-13 13:22:07] <The_Tidal_Wave> AHH.
[2017-11-13 13:22:11] <Ursuul> but that changes a policy
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[2017-11-13 13:22:17] <Ursuul> & most people wouldn’t accept that
[2017-11-13 13:22:22] <The_Tidal_Wave> no, no, no.
[2017-11-13 13:22:26] <The_Tidal_Wave> VERY bad idea.
[2017-11-13 13:22:29] <Ursuul> ye
[2017-11-13 13:22:31] <Ursuul> so
[2017-11-13 13:22:35] <Ursuul> throw that out
[2017-11-13 13:22:51] <Ursuul> so what else could we do, to increase quality, without changing policies?
[2017-11-13 13:23:06] <The_Tidal_Wave> maybe we could encourage people to properly link their stuff?
[2017-11-13 13:23:20] <The_Tidal_Wave> if they don't have enough conceptions, even mainspace would be good.
[2017-11-13 13:23:43] <The_Tidal_Wave> like, you could easily make 4 conceptions that have something to do with each other
[2017-11-13 13:23:50] <The_Tidal_Wave> and link them
[2017-11-13 13:24:05] <Ursuul> yeah but this comes back to the improvement thing. We tried rewarding for high-quality pages, suggesting ways to make good conceptions, & the stats didn’t bear it out.
[2017-11-13 13:24:22] <Ursuul> we’ve found that encouragement hasn’t had that much of an impact as other things
[2017-11-13 13:24:26] <Ursuul> statistically 
[2017-11-13 13:24:49] <The_Tidal_Wave> people just refuse to learn until the punishments are brought out
[2017-11-13 13:24:54] <The_Tidal_Wave> but we don't wanna do that
[2017-11-13 13:25:58] <Ursuul> >people just refuse to learn until the punishments are brought out
[2017-11-13 13:25:58] <Ursuul> Would you agree then, that perhaps there [i]isn’t[/i] a way to increase quality (at least as much as we would want) without changing rules? Beyond allowing other users to help each other by removing the editing restrictions on other people’s concepts.
[2017-11-13 13:26:20] <Ursuul> or should we keep looking for ways?
[2017-11-13 13:26:20] <The_Tidal_Wave> hmmm...
[2017-11-13 13:26:31] <Ursuul> because honestly, I’ve thought about this for a while
[2017-11-13 13:26:36] <Ursuul> & I couldn’t figure out a way
[2017-11-13 13:26:43] <The_Tidal_Wave> maybe keep looking for a while, and THEN increase strictness if we truly have no choice.
[2017-11-13 13:26:57] <Ursuul> we have been looking since the Merge was first proposed, Tidal
[2017-11-13 13:27:22] <The_Tidal_Wave> like, maybe allow other people adding links to concepts and fixing grammar, but not anything else
[2017-11-13 13:27:55] <Ursuul> would people be ok with that?
[2017-11-13 13:28:06] <The_Tidal_Wave> maybe.
[2017-11-13 13:28:11] <Ursuul> I mean, if you think people would be willing to allow it, by all means make a petition man
[2017-11-13 13:28:24] <Ursuul> but even if, lets say, we let people fix grammar & add links
[2017-11-13 13:28:35] <Ursuul> (which btw, don’t Sentinels such as yourself add links anyway?)
[2017-11-13 13:28:49] <Ursuul> but anyway, no statistics on that specifically so don’t know
[2017-11-13 13:28:53] <Ursuul> let’s say we allow this
[2017-11-13 13:29:03] <Ursuul> how does that fix stub pages?
[2017-11-13 13:29:12] <The_Tidal_Wave> I... think this may work, but then paranoia kicks in and you know the rest.
[2017-11-13 13:29:39] <Ursuul> Oh I agree, I think letting normal users add links / fix grammar (which Staff already do sometimes) would be good
[2017-11-13 13:29:47] <Ursuul> but again, does this fix the stub pages?
[2017-11-13 13:29:52] <The_Tidal_Wave> Stubs, no.
[2017-11-13 13:29:56] <The_Tidal_Wave> unfortunately
[2017-11-13 13:30:54] <Ursuul> So, say we fix all the grammar & add plenty of links. That makes it so that people 1) are not put off by unprofessionalism, & 2) allows people to circulate through pages more
[2017-11-13 13:30:58] <Ursuul> which is where the issue comes in
[2017-11-13 13:31:02] <The_Tidal_Wave> ?
[2017-11-13 13:31:08] <Ursuul> if you can circulate through pages, but the pages are all tiny, what’s the point?
[2017-11-13 13:31:16] <The_Tidal_Wave> ...true.
[2017-11-13 13:31:27] <Ursuul> so we are once again back to square one with the quality issue not being solved
[2017-11-13 13:31:33] <The_Tidal_Wave> at least we could use the {{u}} template to link to userspace
[2017-11-13 13:31:37] <The_Tidal_Wave> could we?
[2017-11-13 13:31:56] <The_Tidal_Wave> sigh.
[2017-11-13 13:32:00] <Ursuul> yep, but again, pages are in userspace because they’re stubs, so doing that is basically going to just send people to dead ends
[2017-11-13 13:32:08] <Ursuul> dead ends that are low quality, at that
[2017-11-13 13:32:17] <Ursuul> so the problem still isn’t solved
[2017-11-13 13:32:35] <Ursuul> & thing is, I think your ideas are good, I encourage you to make a petition at some point
[2017-11-13 13:32:56] <Ursuul> but the issue is still there, & that’s why me & the other Admins, perhaps with the exception of Zathsu, have switched gears
[2017-11-13 13:33:10] <Ursuul> & have said “screw it, lets do the policies, & try to convince people”
[2017-11-13 13:33:19] <The_Tidal_Wave> eh.
[2017-11-13 13:34:17] <Ursuul> but do you understand a bit why we do things now? Granted, we aren’t gods, we don’t think of everything in this much depth, but generally when it comes to big decisions like this, there’s a lot of thought that goes into it
[2017-11-13 13:34:27] <The_Tidal_Wave> yes.
[2017-11-13 13:35:13] <Ursuul> So, as a result of this conversation, I assume you are still against policies?
[2017-11-13 13:35:32] <Ursuul> (which is totally fine, if you understand & still disagree, that’s a choice. But making a decision in the dark is ignorance, & you aren’t in the dark anymore)
[2017-11-13 13:35:32] <The_Tidal_Wave> I'm actually neutral, assuming they don't go too far.
[2017-11-13 13:35:36] <Ursuul> ok
[2017-11-13 13:36:07] <The_Tidal_Wave> i know that they mean good, and I'll try to make stuff to them, but what i worry about is the otehr users.
[2017-11-13 13:36:11] <The_Tidal_Wave> other*
[2017-11-13 13:36:21] <Ursuul> Aye, I do too, which is why I asked for your help
[2017-11-13 13:36:24] <Ursuul> in encouraging other users
[2017-11-13 13:36:56] <Ursuul> if you teach them how to make good articles, it isn’t a barrier then anymore. Or if you tell them that they can make conceptions in user-space, then they aren’t barred anymore.
[2017-11-13 13:37:01] <Ursuul> & there’s more too
[2017-11-13 13:37:06] <Ursuul> if you wanted, you could write personal blogs
[2017-11-13 13:37:13] <Ursuul> detailing how to write good conceptions!
[2017-11-13 13:37:18] <Ursuul> That would actually be really useful
[2017-11-13 13:37:30] <Ursuul> we might announce those like the Best You Can Be blogs
[2017-11-13 13:37:43] <The_Tidal_Wave> Zathsu could do a much better job than I can ever
[2017-11-13 13:38:13] <The_Tidal_Wave> but i might just try to tell them, that they can make stuff in userspace.
[2017-11-13 13:38:53] <Ursuul> Potentially, but Zathsu isn’t really…reliable. She doesn’t often try to write in that fashion, & her conceptions, while popular, are often very wall-of-text-y (kinda like me lol).
[2017-11-13 13:39:07] <Ursuul> we’d want a condensed, easy to read guide
[2017-11-13 13:39:20] <The_Tidal_Wave> ...true, but i kinda like wall-of-text
[2017-11-13 13:39:24] <The_Tidal_Wave> means more content
[2017-11-13 13:39:31] <The_Tidal_Wave> means business
[2017-11-13 13:39:31] <Ursuul> wrong way to think about it
[2017-11-13 13:39:35] <The_Tidal_Wave> ?
[2017-11-13 13:39:47] <Ursuul> from a reader's perspective, it’s quality, not quantity, that counts
[2017-11-13 13:40:21] <The_Tidal_Wave> yeah.
[2017-11-13 13:40:28] <Ursuul> from a writer’s perspective quantity can be good, but if the 10 paragraph article you write doesn’t have interesting stuff, no one is gonna read it all
[2017-11-13 13:40:39] <Ursuul> they’re gonna give up two paragraphs in
[2017-11-13 13:41:00] <Ursuul> so for a blog especially, since by its nature it ISN’T supposed to be entertaining, but more of a manual, it REALLY needs to be concise 
[2017-11-13 13:41:39] <The_Tidal_Wave> Yeah...
[2017-11-13 13:42:07] <The_Tidal_Wave> but the thing is, different people have different interests
[2017-11-13 13:42:09] <Ursuul> my point with all this is basically to say; don’t sell yourself short, neither Zathsu nor I nor Gravi nor Bana are perfect, & you can contribute 
[2017-11-13 13:42:12] <Ursuul> aye
[2017-11-13 13:42:26] <Ursuul> I’m going by the numbers
[2017-11-13 13:43:49] <Ursuul> & of course, you can always write a draft in a sandbox page & then ping me to look at it first
[2017-11-13 13:44:01] <Ursuul> then other people can review & help fix it up yknow
[2017-11-13 13:44:02] <The_Tidal_Wave> ...hmmm.
[2017-11-13 13:44:06] <The_Tidal_Wave> imma do that.
[2017-11-13 13:44:49] <Ursuul> I assume its late in Hong Kong so you’re probably tired, so mayhap we should wrap up this convo so I can let ya sleep?
[2017-11-13 13:45:10] <The_Tidal_Wave> sleep isn't that much of a concern yet
[2017-11-13 13:45:14] <Ursuul> ok
[2017-11-13 13:45:15] <The_Tidal_Wave> but i really should shower
[2017-11-13 13:45:28] <Ursuul> alright then, but before I let you go tho
[2017-11-13 13:45:31] <The_Tidal_Wave> ?
[2017-11-13 13:46:19] <Ursuul> Just wanted to say that we do appreciate how much you help the Wiki with moving pages & being in chat & concepting & categorizing & all that. Reason why I spend so much time talkin’ with ya is because you do that, & I want you to believe in the policies you enforce so that you’ll [i]want[/i] to enforce them, continually, because you’re one of the few Staff who actually help in that area.
[2017-11-13 13:46:48] <Ursuul> Some Staff really don’t do much actual Staff work. They help in other areas, but not much Staff work, so we really appreciate those Staff who do help, so thanks.
[2017-11-13 13:46:50] <Ursuul> das all
[2017-11-13 13:46:54] <Ursuul> go get yer shower :)
[2017-11-13 13:46:56] <The_Tidal_Wave> o...k.
[2017-11-13 13:47:08] <Ursuul> wot
[2017-11-13 13:47:10] <The_Tidal_Wave> imma get me shower, beb
[2017-11-13 13:47:14] <Ursuul> k
[2017-11-13 13:47:22] <The_Tidal_Wave> brb*
[2017-11-13 13:48:40] <Ursuul> ah btw, I may not be here when you return, but good talk I suppose. Hope I didn’t freak you out or something lol, cya o/
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[2017-11-13 14:02:00] <Ozziene> today's bad, more stupid time at school
[2017-11-13 14:09:18] <The_Tidal_Wave> back
[2017-11-13 14:09:21] <The_Tidal_Wave> rip ursuul
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[2017-11-13 14:40:40] <The_Tidal_Wave> ...
[2017-11-13 14:40:47] <The_Tidal_Wave> !updatelogs
[2017-11-13 14:40:47] <Özün_Oldun> The Tidal Wave: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~7 to log page).
[2017-11-13 14:40:55] <The_Tidal_Wave> Thank you Ozun.
[2017-11-13 15:21:26] <The_Tidal_Wave> .。。
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[2017-11-13 15:22:51] <Ozziene> 。
[2017-11-13 15:23:45] <The_Tidal_Wave> 。。。
[2017-11-13 16:57:24] <Ozziene> #
[2017-11-13 19:20:53] <Ozziene> #
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[2017-11-13 19:29:26] <IceTudor> CRAP
[2017-11-13 19:29:27] <IceTudor> RUN
[2017-11-13 19:47:44] <Ozziene> 😷
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